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Bob Dylan influence???

Last post Mon, Jun 16 2008, 7:46 AM by MarkKnopflerBelgium. 4 replies.
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  •  Mon, Jun 09 2008, 4:11 PM 5259

    Bob Dylan influence???

    Hi,

    I was listening to the "Love over Gold" album on my travels today(the first time I've played the disc for months) and as Industrial Disease" was belting out it struck me there's a lot of Dylan influence I think about this song.

    Really great and amusing look at society of the time It reminded me of "Subterrainean Homesick Blues" and I can imagine Mark holding up the sketch pad as Dylon does in the video for his song, tearing off the pages with relevant words from the lyrics.

    I love the line from the speakers corner part of the song "Two men say they're Jesus,one of them must be wrong"

    It works doesn't it?  Discuss.

    Regards to all.


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    Ain't too much ham on rye.
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  •  Tue, Jun 10 2008, 6:55 AM 5265 in reply to 5259

    Re: Bob Dylan influence???

    Sure, Mark Knopfler has most likely been influenced by Bob Dylan, but Bob also by Mark.. They did work together somewhere in the past :)

    I don't know about the two songs.. It might very well be, will listen to the SHB when I have the chance (I'm sure I've got it one a Dylan record that's lying around here somewhere) 


    "The birds up on the wires and the telegraph poles
    They can always fly away from this rain and this cold
    You can hear them singing out their telegraph code
    All the way down the telegraph road"

    "My darling boy, all of my sunshine and all of my joy"
  •  Tue, Jun 10 2008, 9:45 PM 5278 in reply to 5259

    Re: Bob Dylan influence???

    Not only did Mark produce Bob's "Slow train running"....but he also covered most ...if not all.. of the guitar work on it...and Pick Withers, on Mark's recommendation, covered some of the percussion work. There is most definitely a strong connection here.                Beer
    Doctor parkinson declared Im not surprised to see you here
    Youve got smokers cough from smoking, brewers droop from drinking beer
    I dont know how you came to get the betty davis knees
    But worst of all young man youve got industrial disease
  •  Sun, Jun 15 2008, 2:13 PM 5395 in reply to 5278

    Re: Bob Dylan influence???

    Mark also played on and produced Infidels, released in 1983.

    I found some words about it:

    Knopfler later admitted it was difficult to produce Dylan. "You see people working in different ways, and it's good for you. You have to learn to adapt to the way different people work. Yes, it was strange at times with Bob. One of the great parts about production is that it demonstrates to you that you have to be flexible. Each song has its own secret that's different from another song, and each has its own life. Sometimes it has to be teased out, whereas other times it might come fast. There are no laws about songwriting or producing. It depends on what you're doing, not just who you're doing. You have to be sensitive and flexible, and it's fun. I'd say I was more disciplined. But I think Bob is much more disciplined as a writer of lyrics, as a poet. He's an absolute genius. As a singer - absolute genius. But musically, I think it’s a lot more basic. The music just tends to be a vehicle for that poetry."

    Knopfler said about the instrument he plays on Infidels: "I still haven't got a flat-top wooden acoustic, because I've never found one that was as good as the two best flat tops I ever played. One...was a hand-built Greco that Rudy Pensa, of Rudy's Music Stop lent me. I used...the Greco on Infidels."

     

    "Bob's musical ability is limited, in terms of being able to play a guitar or a piano," said Knopfler. "It's rudimentary, but it doesn't affect his variety, his sense of melody, his singing. It's all there. In fact, some of the things he plays on piano while he's singing are lovely, even though they're rudimentary. That all demonstrates the fact that you don't have to be a great technician. It's the same old story: If something is played with soul, that's what's important."

    In later years, Knopfler claimed that "Infidels would have been a better record if I had mixed the thing, but I had to go on tour in Germany, and then Bob had a weird thing with CBS, where he had to deliver records to them at a certain time and I was away in Europe...Some of [Infidels] is like listening to roughs. Maybe Bob thought I'd rushed things because I was in a hurry to leave, but I offered to finish it after one tour. Instead, he got the engineer to do the final mix."

    On Youtube there is video of Dylan and Mark playing the songs Licence to Kill & another which i can't remember now.


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  •  Mon, Jun 16 2008, 7:46 AM 5413 in reply to 5259

    Re: Bob Dylan influence???

    denmark:

    Hi,

    I was listening to the "Love over Gold" album on my travels today(the first time I've played the disc for months) and as Industrial Disease" was belting out it struck me there's a lot of Dylan influence I think about this song.

    Really great and amusing look at society of the time It reminded me of "Subterrainean Homesick Blues" and I can imagine Mark holding up the sketch pad as Dylon does in the video for his song, tearing off the pages with relevant words from the lyrics.

    I love the line from the speakers corner part of the song "Two men say they're Jesus,one of them must be wrong"

    It works doesn't it?  Discuss.

    Regards to all.

    Just listened to the track, and absolutely right (Btw, thanks for starting this post, I had almost forgotten I had the 2CD DYLAN, and how great it is... I know, I should be heavily punished for neglecting Bob Dylan..The times they are a-changing Smile


    "The birds up on the wires and the telegraph poles
    They can always fly away from this rain and this cold
    You can hear them singing out their telegraph code
    All the way down the telegraph road"

    "My darling boy, all of my sunshine and all of my joy"
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